Sunday, August 23, 2015

Why I feel the Dialogue has stopped...... please read.

"You will never understand what it is like to be a women or have a women's experience"

This is perhaps the one statement that often is a precursor to a large number of arguments that I have had in the last two years since I graduated from the degree program at Drexel University with a piece of paper that said I knew something about philosophy.  Since then the topic that seems to have trailed after me is the concept of "privilege", social justice, and my "maleness" in relation to these concepts.  I have had multiple arguments about this and since then I have never really had the words in order to talk about them so hopefully these are the words that will work.

I believe in a philosophical question; that for each intellectual age that there arises an intellectual statement or ideal (called by philosophers a "thesis") to which in response also arises an anti-thesis.  I feel that in our modern time that the thesis "subjective experience is as valid as the objective world" seems to be our particular thesis.

And it is a thesis that has caught the world by storm; where once you were separated, now blogs by similarly minded people are simply a google search away from each other.  You are able to cultivate a social network of similarly minded people who agree with you.  But I can not and will not perceive of this as being truly a good thing as it is not being used.

I have the ability to look at opposing views on topics of every nature and every sort.  But I also have the ability to only look at views that I agree with.   Bear with me for a moment as I bring in a few outside elements from academic social psychology.  Within the model of social psychology we have a few theories of "social consciousness"; I wish to discuss a few.  One of which is referred to as the "Halo Effect".  While it can be googled to short hand it.

"A general notion of talent and skill is assumed by the existence of one good quality".

We see this a lot notably in Hollywood in which the popularity of a given actor is assumed to have some sort of moral component...... or as  comedian Christopher Titus would say.
"If someone like Tom Hanks were to come up to a Nun and punch them; the first thing you would ask is What did that NUN do to Tom Hanks"
The idea here is that we associate positive qualities to people whom we already "like" and we similarly associate negative qualities to people whom we dislike.  I wish to hold this idea here for a second;

Good qualities aren't necessarily associated with simple single characteristics....but also those characteristics are shared by a group.  As well or to borrow another term from social psychology.
  Another From Simplypsychology.org
"Social identity is a person’s sense of who they are based on their group membership(s).
Tajfel (1979) proposed that the groups (e.g. social class, family, football team etc.) which people belonged to were an important source of pride and self-esteem. Groups give us a sense of social identity: a sense of belonging to the social world.
In order to increase our self-image we enhance the status of the group to which we belong. For example, England is the best country in the world!  We can also increase our self-image by discriminating and holding prejudice views against the out group (the group we don’t belong to). For example, the Americans, French etc. are a bunch of losers"

When you look at me; what you see is a series of sexual and physical characteristics ; these are the characteristics of race, religion (if i Flag), social class, gender(cis/trans).  In no way do any of these things highlight anything about my internal experiences.
Rape is not a "female" experience.  Being sexually assaulted or domestically abused is not an experience limited to just women.  But there are no men's shelters, no legal protection in many states for men.(while I disagree with many of her points she does bring up several valid points)

Or to restate " You can't understand what it's like to have that taken away from you; your not a women".  We associate this experience in our culture with being female.  To people who have undergone it becomes a part of their identity.....people talk about it and discuss it.  And it becomes a part of the female social identity that it is something that they have to fear.......
But men don't (at least according to this notion).....

So when you tell me that I can't possibly understand this experience because I am (through the veil that is halo effect and social identity theory) you are stopping this discussion.  It doesn't become about how "rape" is bad; but rather how rape is bad for women.  It doesn't become about how "sexual harassment" is bad; but rather how it is bad for women.

I believe that the process of the thesis/anti-thesis is in reality a dialogue that takes place in an age.  And for cultures to exclude each other means that this dialogue stops and we don't progress as a society.

If you remove me from the dialogue because I can't "walk" in your shoes..... because I am one of "them"....then it doesn't matter anymore what I have experienced...it only matters that a represent a "they".

They is a dirty word.  Each time we removed one of "them" from our face page book friends list we kill the dialogue a little more; instead of trying to help each other and continue the dialogue we move a little further towards becoming just a "they".

Saying my argument or experience is invalid because I am one of "them" is unfair and stops this dialogue from ever happening

And so I vow to continue this dialogue....that if I see something wrong instead of ignoring and turning that person into a "they" I will continue the dialogue and see if I can change them or if I myself need to be changed.

1 comment:

  1. Interesting video. Some of what she says is pretty triggering for me, though I have to remind myself that most of my experiences that don't match her statements happened in the 1970s and 1980s. Maybe the world has come a long way since then -- certainly in some areas it has. But I wish she had cited sources for her statistics.

    And some of those statistics are misleading.

    It's undoubtedly true that 97% of all combat deaths (of US troops in uniform) are male. But this might be because women have been entirely barred from combat until quite recently and are still sharply in the minority in those units to which they have been admitted.

    Rape in prison is a horrible problem. And unfortunately it's one that women outside of prisons have had very little success in changing, though in fact women have been at the forefront of prison-reform movements for decades. I wish she had given some statistics about rape of men outside of prison, though I realize that those statistics will suffer from the same problems as statistics about female rape victims, as rape is an under-reported crime and there is often pressure on the victim to recant or just to keep silent.

    It sure hasn't been my experience that women have been accepted into college or hired into jobs 'just because' of a quota. It has also not been my experience that Affirmative Action for minorities of ethnicity or color has resulted in promoting unqualified people. The men I knew (and they were, in the 70s, mostly men even though my own engineering career began as an affirmative action experiment) who were hired under affirmative action were generally even better qualified than the other men hired at the same time for parallel jobs.

    Maybe today people are preferentially giving custody to mothers, but in the 70s there was a strong move against that and the last time I was close to a divorce involving custody it was given to the father -- as the court sided with the father in bashing the mother's religion. (Sometimes we can't do the right thing no matter how we try).

    Certainly there are women who blame patriarchy on the individual men in their vicinity. But it's hard for me to accept that it's somehow wrong to want the US Senate to have more than 20 women (out of 100 senators) or the US House of Representatives to have more than 84 women (again just about 20%) even though women are a bit more than 50% of adults in the US.

    I heartily agree with her assertion that patriarchy in our current culture holds men to ridiculous standards and is as damaging to men as to women.

    It would be great if the 14th Amendment were really enforced to grant equal rights and equal due process to 'all' American citizens ... but we're pretty far from that on gender, sexual orientation, and race. And don't even get me started on poverty.

    What's the solution? If we work for 'Equality for Everyone', which I think is what you and I both want, how can we get the culture at large to move forward on that? I don't want either of us to feel cheated because someone works to, for example, get the sexism out of anti-rape legislation but doesn't work on employment equity. And yet it seems hard to make progress except with a narrow focus.

    What would work for you?

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